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Seeds and Gardens: a Flower example.

Posted on Apr 5th, 2008 by Zet White : Alive again Zet White

Let me elaborate the concept of seeds as a "rating" of content with the gardens and flowers imagery in mind.


Example. A pod/group is started by someone somewhere on Gaia, with a simple message, e.g. about relationships. It explores family life. There is a hub on Gaia.com devoted to relationships, represented by (for e.g.) a red colour/flower, like a rose. Someone visits the pod and contributes, while also quickly giving the author a red (rose) seed. Someone else visits, sees the potential, quickly throws the commenter a normal seed and leaves. After a few days, a few more posts appear, the topic is developed. The author gives red seeds to some interesting contributions, the contributors give red/normal seeds to the initial post and comments, etc.


On the pod author's garden circle, which grows greener, a red petal appears in the background: it shows that the user has authored some interesting content about relationships. On his (or her, please ladies excuse my continuous masculine language) "garden page" the graphics shows he has many seeds planted (large garden), and that some proportion of his garden (content) is about relationships. There is a pink/red link to the pod he created, either becoming bigger as it is given more seeds (cloud engine), or just showing in numbers how much roses and other seeds it was given.


Results. The author can thus see himself which of his content people appreciate more, possibly being inspired and concentrating his useful contributions on that area. His friends who really like this user (not because of any glows, but because they got to really know him) are now able to visit his garden and, thanks to vivid imagery and a neat combination of links, go on directly to read and enjoy the best of his content. The new (and old) users are now able to search for "rosy content" on Gaia and find, quickly and easily, both the user and his greatest, most relevant to their search, content. On the "relationship hub" on Gaia.com, the pod quickly moves up the list and gets the spotlight, since all "roses" are in any pod are added together to determine its "red rank". On the community page this topic also becomes popular, since seeds (all types), comments and views are added together to determine "hotness". In the possible event of an article on relationships in a (future) Gaia magazine or a seminar on relationships, this user is specifically invited to contribute, along with other users with "rosy" gardens.


Moreover. No ego boost as the user is not being praised or informed that he is more trusted and respected. Giving flowers (like applause) and giving personal gold medals is different things. So instead, such seeds work as inspiration and useful feedback (since now author sees why he got seeds, yet not from whom). Users may be inspired to give seeds and write interesting, quality posts if this leads to actual aesthetical pleasure of "tending" one's garden, filling it with various different colours, making it look and feel like a little home online, warm and welcoming. Instead of "popular users" somehow having greater power or more important votes, I suggest that users with greater gardens... Simply get more seeds to spend. It is logical: greener gardens, more seeds available to sow. Thus users with large gardens will be able to give two/three seeds at a time, and get their "seed bank" (rename to seed pouch!) replenished by two or more seeds per post. I also suggest that for every three seeds sown, one is added to the seeds pouch, so that people keen on giving seeds don't run out of them so fast. Also, the fact that, to make one's garden and garden circle look nicer one will need to contribute quality content on a wide range of topics, it could be a good exercise and a mild incentive for people to express themselves more, for communities but mainly for their own sake.


Let me suggest how the garden circle could look like, graphically. See below: the circle is green, except for admins for whom it's Gaia-purple. Yes, I suggest that admins should have gardens too, if at least to let us show you how much we appreciate you.


  1. 1. Newcomer, no seeds received. Number of posts irrelevant.
  2. 2. Newbie, 15 seeds, 7 blue, 3 purple. For flower "glows", glow1 is 3-9
  3. 3. 50 seeds, 15 blue, 3 red. 5 purple. Flower glow2 is 10-50
  4. 4. 100 seeds, 32 blue, 24 red, 6 purple, 4 violet, 2 yellow (not enough).
  5. 5. 125 seeds, 37 blue, 39 red, 9 purple, 5 violet, 5 yellow.
  6. 6. 500 seeds (wow!), 79 blue, 112 red, 27 purple, 9 violet, 37 yellow, 31 orange. The largest colour glow, glow3, I suggest is anything above 50.
  7. 7. Admin, really into the violet topic. 75 seeds, 52 violet, 12 red, 4 orange.
  8. 8. Same as 3, but also a group moderator, distinguished by a purple leaf.
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The pictures can be formed by combining two images together, the total seeds base pic (green), and the colour circles layered on top. Such an icon would graphically, explicitly and very quickly say a lot about the user at a singe glance. Note that I strongly believe that the garden level should be based on numerical numbers rather than on comparing the garden to an average (i.e. other gardens), so the garden level never decreases (unless content is deleted, naturally)! Finally, for now it may be best to ditch the colour/flowers part completely and just have the "green gardens", and the more sophisticated aspect could be added later.

Here's a VERY rough sketch of a garden page, accessed by clicking on the garden circle.

garden page1

And since I drew it, might as well show here a sketch of a garden cirle next to the user's name on the profile page.

Gaia Name1

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Grey : Integral Ideator (I-I)
about 6 hours later
Grey said

This is excellent stuff, Zet!  Too bad the Gaia team seems to be moving in the wrong direction (away from a “beacon” of any kind) to consider ideas like these.

Cheers,
Grey

Sandra : Inspirational Ambassador
about 9 hours later
Sandra said

Well, I don't know, but I'd hire you instantly, Zet. I love this.

I have so often used the 'garden' or plant metaphor in my own work, in terms of personal  issues– around the issue of 'comparing'. A big gnarly tree is no less or more than a small young shoot of grass. They are different, beautiful in their own right… is a big garden 'better' than a small one? No, just different.

Zet White : Alive again
about 9 hours later
Zet White said

Thanks Grey! :) Hmm.. I don't get the impression the Team is moving away, actually. I'm glad to see they are experimenting with many ideas. They seem to be inerested in creating something “new” and effective. And I'm just trowing in ideas. This gardens system is simply a remake of a normal forum's “ranking” system. The little stars, dots, points, or clearly “ranks” that are given on forums to their users the more they post. I kept seeing the obvious flaw of this on forums, and the best of them ditched this ranking system. The flaw is: spammers are rewarded personally. You see seven stars next to your name, compared to two next to someone elses, (or worse, you are “advanced user” compared to “newbs”), and it has a weird effect on everyone's ego. It does. I'm just considering the ways to make the system less about the person and less about the number of posts.

The content ranking methods, like on Digg, are great. Main problem would be to get people to go the extra mile and rate content. Where NEWS is the rated content, people have little competition, they rate the NEWS, not the news authors. But on Zaadz (Gaia) it's people's ideas, comments, poems, thus rating it is ethically quite difficult.

Just ask yourself a question: how do you rate a poet? Their income? Their productivity? Their “quality”? And the poems, how to rate them? By “smartness”, “style”, “feeling”, what? It's different for everyone. This is the challenge of a conscious community like Gaia. The resonance idea is great at its core - Siona hinted that “they” are moving towards a resonance-style of rating. Yes, instead of gardens it could be vibes or auras or something… But in all cases it still SOUNDS too personal. When I ask myself, what human creation can be appreciated without boosting the creator's ego, this is the first thing that comes. Nature. Baby. I can help a plant or a baby to grow, but it is not MY creation, it just IS creation, to love, to be happy of, to appreciate…

Zet White : Alive again
about 10 hours later
Zet White said

Thanks Sandra… Yes, yes that's the metaphor I love too! That's ultimately the whole point of this: even though it's kind of comparing, it's really not, because ALL seeds and all contributions are great!

Jim : My Hai : go
1 day later
Jim said

This is a fantastic idea Zet – brilliantly conceived … and explained

Jim x

debyemm : Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper
20 days later
debyemm said

Zet,

Just stumbled on this tonight.  I am impressed by the thoughtful consideration you have given this.  It is a beautiful idea.  It certainly would add a unique dimension to the experience of being in this community.

I am so grateful the Team realized why “rating” troubled me so (not that it was I who they were concerned about but that they finally did “get” what I had tried so many times, in so many ways to say) way back when it first came up.  I just knew it was wrong for this community.  I am content now with it gone.

Deborah

Zet White : Alive again
21 days later
Zet White said

Thanks Deborah and Jim!

I really hope on seeing something like this on Gaia myself… Which is why I wrote all this, I guess. But again, I doubt it will work if it's difficult to actually give seeds (like with having to wait for a new window to open). So the developers might be considering how to make this process easier first. If they find a way to do that, it can all be built upon that.

Zet

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